Legislature(2023 - 2024)BARNES 124

01/17/2024 01:00 PM House RESOURCES

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+= HB 177 CRITICAL NATURAL MINERALS PLAN AND REPORT TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
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Heard & Held
        HB 177-CRITICAL NATURAL MINERALS PLAN AND REPORT                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:37:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY announced the final  order of business would be HOUSE                                                               
BILL  NO.  177,  "An  Act  relating  to  critical  and  essential                                                               
minerals and the global energy transition."   He said this is the                                                               
first hearing  on HB 177  in House  Resources and there  would be                                                               
invited testimony with  the intent to hold the  bill in committee                                                               
until the following week.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:38:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER,  as prime sponsor, introduced  HB 177 the                                                               
critical and essential  minerals legislation.  He  offered HB 177                                                               
as a  means for Alaska to  be the lead in  providing critical and                                                               
essential minerals to  the global market.   He defined "essential                                                               
minerals", as those that are  necessary for industry and national                                                               
defense; "critical  minerals" are  limited and don't  have enough                                                               
of or  don't have reliable  or a secure  source of.   He provided                                                               
examples  of essential  minerals like:  copper; tin;  gold; zinc;                                                               
graphite; lead;  and silver.   He  also identified  several more,                                                               
lesser-known,  essential  minerals  such   as:    molybdenum  and                                                               
chromium.   He  read  the  rest of  the  sponsor state  [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     These minerals  are fundamental  components of  many of                                                                    
     today's ubiquitous technologies,  such as computers and                                                                    
     household appliances. To keep  our economy and our day-                                                                    
     to-day lives moving forward, we  need to ensure we have                                                                    
     a plan for accessing these critical resources.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Demand   for  critical   and  essential   minerals  has                                                                    
     increased in recent  years   and is  likely to continue                                                                    
     to  increase, possibly  exponentially    as the  demand                                                                    
     for  renewable  energy   sources  grows.  Critical  and                                                                    
     essential minerals  are a key element  of many emerging                                                                    
     energy technologies, ranging  from electric vehicles to                                                                    
     solar panels.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     What's more,  critical and essential minerals  are also                                                                    
     increasingly   essential   components  of   the   high-                                                                    
     technology  industrial  processes and  weapons  systems                                                                    
     that play  increasingly important roles  in maintaining                                                                    
     a strong national defense.                                                                                                 
     Currently, China is  home to most of  the global market                                                                    
     for  processing and  refining critical  minerals, which                                                                    
     has  concerning  implications  for the  health  of  our                                                                    
     nation's  economy, and  the  strength  of our  nation's                                                                    
     armed services and defense  capabilities. It is vitally                                                                    
     important that  our nation be able  to reliably produce                                                                    
     such minerals  and use them to  manufacture technology-                                                                    
     forward products and systems.                                                                                              
     HB  177  helps meet  that  imperative.  It directs  the                                                                    
     Alaska government  to assess  the state's  potential as                                                                    
     an  alternative  source  of  these  minerals,  identify                                                                    
     strategies to  attract industry investment,  and review                                                                    
     the possible  impacts of potential  regulatory regimes.                                                                    
     This proposal  has the potential  to not  only decrease                                                                    
     our reliance  on imported  critical minerals,  but also                                                                    
     increase  investment   in  Alaska's   natural  resource                                                                    
     industry.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska  has  an opportunity  to  position  itself as  a                                                                    
     competitive source  of critical and  essential minerals                                                                    
     in  the  global  supply  chain.  HB  177  requires  the                                                                    
     Departments   of   Natural  Resources   and   Commerce,                                                                    
     Community,  and  Economic  Development to  provide  the                                                                    
     information that  industry experts and  state officials                                                                    
     need  to take  the next  steps toward  making Alaska  a                                                                    
     globally competitive  source of critical  and essential                                                                    
     minerals.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:42:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATIE MCCALL, Staff to Rep. Saddler, on behalf of Representative                                                                
Saddler, gave the sectional analysis for HB 177 as follows                                                                      
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1, Subsection  (a)   Page 1, Lines  3-15 & Page                                                                
     2, Lines 1-4                                                                                                           
     Subsection  (a)  of  HB  177  adds  a  new  section  of                                                                    
     uncodified law to direct the  Office of the Governor to                                                                    
     develop a plan for  the state to encourage exploration,                                                                    
     production,  and refining  of  the  minerals needed  to                                                                    
     support emerging renewable energy technologies.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The  plan  must  specifically  identify  strategies  to                                                                    
     attract  industry investment  and position  the state's                                                                    
     critical  mineral  production  at the  center  of  U.S.                                                                    
     production  and   manufacturing  initiatives  employing                                                                    
     critical  minerals.  The  plan  must  also  review  the                                                                    
     impacts  of various  regulatory  frameworks on  mineral                                                                    
     development.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1, Subsection (b)  Page 2, Lines 5-18                                                                          
     Subsection  (b) of  HB 177  directs  the Department  of                                                                    
     Natural   Resources  to   provide  a   report  to   the                                                                    
     Legislature by the start of  the legislative session in                                                                    
     January 2026 that compares  the state's current mineral                                                                    
     production and potential  future production to national                                                                    
     and  global   production  of  critical   and  essential                                                                    
     minerals.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The  report   must  identify  strategies   to  increase                                                                    
     industry exploration  and state production  of critical                                                                    
     and essential minerals in the  next three, five, and 10                                                                    
     years.  The  report  must   also  compare  the  state's                                                                    
     permitting  timelines  and  exploration  incentives  to                                                                    
     those in other jurisdictions.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The  department  may  consult   with  other  state  and                                                                    
     federal  agencies, the  University of  Alaska, industry                                                                    
     representatives, and advocacy  organizations to compile                                                                    
     the required information for the report.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1, Subsection (c)    Page 2, Lines 19-31 & Page                                                                
     3, Line 1                                                                                                              
     Subsection  (c) of  HB 177  directs  the Department  of                                                                    
     Commerce,  Community,   and  Economic   Development  to                                                                    
     provide a  report to  the Legislature  by the  start of                                                                    
     the legislative session in January 2026                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     that identifies  the state's role in  the global energy                                                                    
     transition. The report must  include the potential role                                                                    
     of Alaska's  mineral resources in the  supply chain for                                                                    
     electric  batteries, solar  panels, wind  turbines, and                                                                    
     consumer devices.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The department  may consult with the  appropriate state                                                                    
     and   federal   agencies   to  compile   the   required                                                                    
     information for the report.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The  report  must  include the  value  of  the  state's                                                                    
     location  in  the  global  supply  chain  and  identify                                                                    
     strategies for in-state  innovation, manufacturing, and                                                                    
     transportation for the next three, five, and 10 years.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:45:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ARMSTRONG  was  curious why  working  with  local                                                               
communities wasn't explicitly written into the HB 177 draft.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:46:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER believed  it was written into  HB 177 from                                                               
existing  system of  legislation but  did not  see any  reason to                                                               
leave out language that included input from local communities.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:46:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ARMSTRONG  followed  up with  the  suggestion  of                                                               
adding, "other relevant products that may come up" into HB 177.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:47:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER said  he thought  it was  a good  idea in                                                               
order to keep up with the rate of technology.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:47:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY opened invited testimony on HB 177.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:48:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRENT SHEETS, Director, Petroleum  Development Lab, University of                                                               
Alaska  Fairbanks,  joined  invited  testimony  via  Teams.    He                                                               
explained  they  are  heavily involved  in  resources  issues  in                                                               
addition to  petroleum.  He  informed the committee that  the lab                                                               
is  involved in  carbon  capture  and sequestration,  small-scale                                                               
coal  technology, and  rare-earth mineral  projects.   He updated                                                               
the  committee   that  the   petroleum  engineering   program  is                                                               
transitioning to the energy resources engineering program.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:49:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHEETS moved  to slide 2, titled "Mineral  Resources," with a                                                               
map  showing  current  mines  and  advanced  mineral  exploration                                                               
projects  with  potential mines  highlighted  in  red.   He  also                                                               
emphasized  the  partnership  between the  University  of  Alaska                                                               
Fairbanks (UAF)  and the Division  of Geological  and Geophysical                                                               
Surveys  (DGGS).    He  imparted  Alaska  has  numerous  untapped                                                               
mineral resources that  could be developed.  He  cited the recent                                                               
finds  of  world-class  Germanium  and Gallium  deposits  in  Ray                                                               
River, near  the Yukon River,  which would be attractive  for the                                                               
state to lease to developers.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:51:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SHEETS   moved  to  slide  3,   titled  "Background-Alaska's                                                               
Critical Mineral  Potential," that displayed  a bar chart  of the                                                               
underdeveloped critical minerals  in Alaska.  He  said Alaska has                                                               
the  potential to  supply most  of the  commodities shown  on the                                                               
graph, especially  zinc, which Alaska in  leads market production                                                               
thanks to Red Dog Mine.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:53:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHEETS  advanced to slide 4,  titled "Applications/Products,"                                                               
that proposed  the use of  these minerals for  magnetic products,                                                               
metal alloys, defense mechanisms,  catalysts, glass and polishing                                                               
compounds, ceramics and phosphors.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:53:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHEETS described  slide 5, titled "Carbon Ore,  Rare Earth, &                                                               
Critical Minerals,"  which outlined the vision  to bring Alaska's                                                               
Carbon   Ore,  Rare   Earth-Critical   Minerals  (CORE-CM)   into                                                               
perspective and echo the mission  to establish a CORE-CM industry                                                               
in  Alaska by  working with  industry and  other stakeholders  to                                                               
identify opportunities and address challenges.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:54:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHEETS  moved to slide  6, titled "Budget By  Phase" outlined                                                               
three phase  of how to compete  with China.  He  posited, Phase 1                                                               
is a planning period, Phase 2 and  3 will be a cost challenge but                                                               
with the partnership  and funding with DGGS, UAF can  count on an                                                               
in-kind match.   He stressed  the importance of  that partnership                                                               
and  suggested  bringing  in   the  Department  of  Environmental                                                               
Conservation for additional input.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:56:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHEETS  moved to  slide 7,  titled "Overview,"  that outlined                                                               
the Department  of Energy and  equivalent UAF/DGGS tasks  such as                                                               
[original  punctuation provided]:  Task  2: Basinal  Assessments;                                                               
Task   3:   Waste   Stream  Reuse;   Task   4:   Strategies   for                                                               
Infrastructure,  Industries  and  Businesses, Task  5  Technology                                                               
Assessment,  Development and  Field Testing;  Task 6:  AK-TIC and                                                               
Task 7: Stakeholder Outreach and Education.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He pointed out that rare earth  elements (REE) are not that rare,                                                               
but they are difficult to mine economically.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:02:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SHEETS moved  to slide  8,  titled "REE  Value Chain,"  that                                                               
illustrates the  progress of value  from exploration,  to mining,                                                               
to  on-site concentrations,  to separation,  to metal  making and                                                               
finally, alloy production.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:05:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SHEETS  moved  to  slide   9,  titled  "Additional  Assets,"                                                               
highlighting  additional  resources  from DGGS  such  as:  ICP-MS                                                               
installation, hyperspectral imaging,  an advanced instrumentation                                                               
laboratory, bioreactors  to separate  elements from  ores without                                                               
the  use  of acids,  and  the  UAS/UAF  effort to  expand  mining                                                               
training.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:07:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCKAY  thanked Mr.  Sheets  and  expressed his  excitement                                                               
about  the subject  matter especially  for  those having  visited                                                               
Iceland and toured the energy infrastructure of that country.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:08:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEARS asked Mr. Sheets  if there were requirements                                                               
for continuing  through the phases  that would need  support from                                                               
the legislature.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:08:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHEETS  replied the main one  would be able to  meet matching                                                               
funds with  DGGS to  progress through  all of  the phases  of the                                                               
budget.  He said the department has a 20 percent cost match.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:10:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEARS noticed  there wasn't a fiscal  note with HB
177.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:10:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. McCALL replied  to Representative Mears there  are two fiscal                                                               
notes with the HB 177 legislation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:10:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DIBERT directed  her comment  towards Mr.  Sheets                                                               
and expressed  her excitement and where  HB 177 is heading.   She                                                               
asked specifically about  the critical minerals in  Ray River; if                                                               
the  communities and  workforce  have a  bridge  between them  to                                                               
provide local jobs moving forward.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:12:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY  invited more questions;  seeing none,  he introduced                                                               
the next presenter Ms. Karen Matthias.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:13:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KAREN  MATTHIAS*,  Executive   Director*,  Alaska  Metal  Mines*,                                                               
Anchorage,  Alaska  {testified  in  support  of  HB  177.}    She                                                               
reiterated  the  increasing  demand for  essential  and  critical                                                               
metals in  several sectors  of the economy.   She  warned imports                                                               
from  adversarial countries  are  a risk,  therefore, the  United                                                               
States need  more domestic mineral  production and  Alaska should                                                               
be  part of  the solution.    She contended  the term,  "critical                                                               
minerals",  are  defined  differently  by  DGGS,  DNR  and  other                                                               
departments and  change through time.   Ms. Matthias  pointed out                                                               
the copper is  not on the United States  Geological Survey (USGS)                                                               
critical mineral list as an  example opposed to the United States                                                               
Department  of Energy.   Ms.  Matthias emphasized  the amount  of                                                               
copper needed  to produce  clean energy  is insufficient  to meet                                                               
the  federal  government  goals.     In  addition,  Ms.  Matthias                                                               
highlighted the rich goal and silver deposits in Alaska.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:15:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MATTHIAS  said there are only  a small number of  mines which                                                               
have  economic challenges  to develop;  she  suggested a  diverse                                                               
mining economy for the state  to succeed.  Ms. Matthias advocated                                                               
for HB 177 to encourage investment, exploration, and production.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:17:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEANTHA   SKIBINSKI*,    Executive   Director,    Alaska   Miners                                                               
Association*,  Anchorage,  Alaska   {introduced  herself  to  the                                                               
committee.}                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:20:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCKAY  invited  questions   from  the  committee  for  Ms.                                                               
Skibinski.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:20:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  asked Ms.  Skibinski about the  weather in                                                               
Big Lake today.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:20:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MATTHIAS  answered the weather  was cold  but not as  cold as                                                               
the Lower 48.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:21:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE appreciated this  suggestion for the change                                                               
from transition to expansion and would offer it as an amendment.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:21:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER was  amenable to  Representative McCabe's                                                               
amendment  and   offered  the  term,  "energy   addition"  as  an                                                               
alternative.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:21:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCKAY invited  online testimony  but there  was none.   He                                                               
then  asked Mr.  Sheets to  further explain  slide 6,  "Budget By                                                               
Phase" expenditures  and asked if  he was looking for  funds from                                                               
the legislature.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:23:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHEETS said  the slide pointed out what the  "DOE" should be.                                                               
He  attested the  State will  have to  contribute a  $1.7 million                                                               
match in order to meet the proposed 20 percent requirement.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:24:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY  concluded the  budget subcommittee  work on  DNR, we                                                               
will look under DGGS budget.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:25:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BAKER asked  Mr.  Sheets or  the  HB 177  sponsor                                                               
[Representative Saddler] how landowners  will be incorporated and                                                               
wanted to make sure local traditional ecological knowledge is                                                                   
being put into it the legislation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:26:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER answered  DNR has  worked very  well with                                                               
local communities,  listened to  input from  tribal organizations                                                               
and was confident those voices have been heard and incorporated.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:27:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY thanked the committee, set the amendment deadline                                                                   
for 12:00 p.m. Monday January 22, 2024 and will hold HB 177 in                                                                  
committee for further consideration.                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 177 Presentation 1.17.24.pdf HRES 1/17/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 177
HB 177 Sponsor Statement version A.pdf HRES 1/17/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 177
HB 177 Sectional Analysis version A.pdf HRES 1/17/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 177
HB 177 Supporting Document - 2022 Critical Minerals List.pdf HRES 1/17/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 177
HB 177 Supporting Document - 2022 U.S. Net Import Reliance over 50 Map.pdf HRES 1/17/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 177
HB 177 Supporting Document - 2022 U.S. Net Import Reliance.pdf HRES 1/17/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 177
HB177 Support letter from Alaska Metal Mines.pdf HRES 1/17/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 177
HB 169 - Moist Air Incubator Photo.pdf HFSH 4/27/2023 10:00:00 AM
HFSH 5/8/2023 9:00:00 AM
HRES 1/17/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 169
HB 169 - Gulkana Incubation Picture.pdf HFSH 4/27/2023 10:00:00 AM
HFSH 5/8/2023 9:00:00 AM
HRES 1/17/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 169
HB 169 Support Letter. Copper Valley Chamber of Commerce.pdf HRES 1/17/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 169
HB 169 Support Letter. Mentasta Council.pdf HRES 1/17/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 169
HB 169 Yakutat Support letter Fisheries Enhancement Permit 4.6.17.pdf HRES 1/17/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 169
HB-169 Sectional Analysis (ver B).pdf HRES 1/17/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 169
HB 169 - Summary of Changes (A to B).pdf HRES 1/17/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 169
HB 169 Sponsor Statement.pdf HRES 1/17/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 169